carmina vs meermin sizing
Thursday Vanguard 9.5D: Toe box is a bit tapered for my liking, but overall fit is so-so. Theyre perhaps most similar to Skolyx, in being a very simple make but with good materials. Carmina shoes are stylish, fashionable, chic, and very good-looking. AEs MacNeil is the epitome of wingtips imho. Carmina vs Meermin: First glance The same is true for the tailors and the small number of shops I use for RTW clothing. After trying on shoes in Trading Post, the fit is so much better than any western brands Ive ever tried. I cant imagine very people are going to buy a sports jacket or merino sweater there. This separates footwear from most of fashion and it feels good to support the companies that work towards this. Meermins have also been fine, especially for suede loafers. Alden Van (unlined shell): 10D, ended up selling before fully breaking in. Carmina Rain: UK 11 (best fitting Carmina last for me) Carmina Inca: UK 11 (too tight across instep) Carmina Forest: UK 11.5 (snug instep) Carmina Simpson: my feet are too wide for this last. second chance thread), Carmina Green Shell Cordovan Frankenstitch Captoe Jumper Boot 10.5eee(uk) detroit last, RM Williams Comfort Craftsman or Carmina (Rain Last) Chelsea, *SOLD* Carmina Bourbon Shell Cordovan NST boot 8UK Forest last, Alden Color 4 Shell Cordovan Chukkas - Barrie last size 10 D, Alden x Leffot Saddle Shoe - Unglazed Cigar Shell Cordovan and Snuff Suede - 8D Barrie Last. I have found Robert (admittedly in sales, not specifically costumer service) to be accommodating in every respect; answering scores of questions over a months long decision making process. Jack, I havent looked at Weston in quite a while Im afraid Jack, but from what I remember they are around that kind of level, yes. Brilliant article I really enjoyed that . It is not surprising for people to give high praises to the Carmina shoes due to their high durability and quality build-up. NWT Pual Smith Linen, Cotton & Silk Blend Neck Tie in Navy w/ White Polka Dots from MR Porter, New w/ Tag $200+ Brioni Italian Made Woven Silk Purple Paisley Neck Tie from Bergdorf Goodman, Vintage Dunhill English Made Black Leather Long Wallet. It wont make them extremely soft, but should help in the process. Any other leather I handled was absolutely fine! Ive gradually moved more towards the Handgrade products, though not entirely, as the range of styles is more limited. The difference between, for example, C&J and EG is the same as the difference between them and the cheaper shoes. Topics include a wide range of brands from Crockett & Jones to Guidi. Im not the only one. My experience with them has been very similar to yours, Felix. Carmina shoes are more comfortable, stable, flexible, durable, and stylish than the Meermin shoes. Even more troubling is that I found no review by an established website stating so. I loved the MTO experience there. And the soles are much more flexible too, more similar to a Blake stitched shoe than a Goodyear welted one. all have factory shops if you are looking for a classic style but at a price closer to a discounted Loake. Allen Edmonds still made really good shoes twenty years ago, but their attempt at becoming an all around clothing brand with its own shops really harmed the quality of the shoes. Theyre all Spanish except Septieme Largeur, which is French but made in Spain. *Although I trust Jespers impartiality, it needs to be stated that he now works for Skolyx, which has its own shoe brand and sells other shoes. I got tired of my usual worn brands price development and wanted to see if it is possible to find decent shoes under 300 Euros, which in my eyes is in no way cheap. I have not found any better service than that provided by the C&J shops in Jermyn Street (and actually at the factory shop on the one occasion I managed to visit). The heel stiffener is a piece of the internal structure of the shoe, which sits inside the heel cup. JavaScript is disabled. Might not be the same for everyone, but many who havent tried bespoke shoes would be very happy once they do, that Im quite sure off. The former you appreciate in the shoes over time. On the otherhand Viberg Halketts and 145s fit a bit smaller in the same last. The manager gave me a significant discount for resoling them but, even after three decades as a loyal customer, I would be reluctant to buy from them again. Im happy to pay a bit more for that consistency and service. Id like to add a little comment on the Vietnam shoe makers here. 11D would've been better out of the box but CXL is very forgiving. In that regard, let me plug TLB as a particularly sound value proposition. Carminas are really chic, classy, and fashionable. Again, a big thank you to Simon and Jesper for the article. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Truman P-79 9D: Good fit, was snug the first day with boot socks and now comfortable with boot socks. Was no question about it in any of the cases). Steve. **. The dress shoes classics hold their own. Avoid if you have a low instep or wide feet. Could not find info. Suede. Put simply, if you pay 250 for a shoe you cannot get 500 quality. Barefoot, thick socks, whatever. 2030 last 9.5: Acceptable fit with tongue pad and thin socks. Arch might be a little too aggressive for my right foot, but it should break in more. Given I can purchase a pair of CJ for 650 retail shipped from England this is not a great value. If anything, I would say last and design are the least obvious things they are the easiest ones to mimic. I'm interested in branching out from C&J to Carmina so I'll be paying attention to this thread. An interesting read. Toe box is comfortable but not a lot of play, heel is well locked in. I brought a pair of black Oxford brogues in a classic last for 109 that were from the previous season and a pair of Dark Leaf Calf Oxfords for 150 that had a negligible fault (even the staff had to look it up as it wasnt obvious). * **Gaziano Girling TG73** 8.5EUK comfortable but slight pinching at pinky toe, * **Grant Stone Leo** 8.5D super comfortable boot last, bit roomy, * **Joe Works JOE-0** 8UK instep too low - v gap in oxford laces, * **Loake Capital** 8UK snug with room at the toe, perfect fit, * **Lof and Tung S** 8UK great fit though instep is perhaps a bit high, * **Mattina N** 42EU Great fit with little to no heel slip, instep is like Loake Capital/Carmina Rain, * **Mattina C** 42EU Great fit with little to no heel slip, instep is like Loake Capital/Carmina Rain. Coming up on the PS Shop this Autumn/Winter, Tailoring for travelling: tough, comfortable, plain, So in order to create a frame of reference, I phoned Jesper Ingevaldsson, who writes the website, These are two of the best known shoe brands internationally, with Crocketts a British mainstay and, The English brands at this price level are, The level above that is made in Japan, and includes brands like, . Most brands in that price segment have fewer offers for you in terms of lasts. 65 last 10D: Bad fit. Jack & White Bros Round Last 9: Probably the best fit now. Try Saphir Shoe-Eze, it actually works. Carmina shoes have soles that are durable and very comfortable in their design, due to the Goodyear Welt construction used to hold them in place. If you will be ordering from the Trickers website, I suggest going over the fine print. I think Carmina sizing, at first, looks simple but if you read into it, there are lots of strange variations. Both these shoes are true to size, but Carminas are however more fitting and properly sized than the Meermin shoes. A very useful piece for me as Im slowly getting into the joys of proper shoes. Perhaps other readers can. Herringshoes.com). Foster & Son get this so much better with their RTW. Viberg 110: Last is shorter than other service boot lasts. Good point about Allen Edmonds. I just don't love Rancourt's boot patterns and overall build. Unfortunately almost all clothing has diminishing returns as you pay more, and thats certainly the case with shoes. Cheaper shoes will often have small mistakes, such as little splits in the sole or heel stack. I have also tried on shoes from Yanko and Septieme Largeur. On the raw materials, you get oak-bark tanned soles, you get the top level of upper, and so on. Ive found having slowly worked my way up the chain that in terms of value for money, its Cheaney, Trickers and Alfred Sargent which have ultimately paid off. Since that was my advice in your survey, I can only but congratulate. The two lasts I mentioned are super comfortable straight out of the box, and I can wear them all day without the slightest discomfort. Looking forward to this. Wapmaxi Time To Change 2015Meermin & Carmina Boot Sizing and Review Hey all, been a bit since I've posted but I stopped by both Meermin and Carmina in NYC the other day and thought I'd share my opinions for guys looking at either or both for fall boot wearing. You talk a lot about nicer shoes on PS and how they are much nicer. For a RTW offering, without additional charge, that is a massive advantage for anyone wary of shelling out for MTM alternatives, and I would have expected something worth telling readers. Guess it goes to show how individual it all is. I have been wearing several pairs for ~18 years without an issue besides replacement of a couple of degraded rubber heel soles. Unlined Carmina loafers. Cork/insole filling will also compress. Throughout this commentary from Jesper, its worth keeping in mind that some of the points are objective, some more subjective. Hi Jesper, thanks for the clarification. Youre better off looking at the tannery the leather came from and if it had a recognizable leather name (cxl for example) but even within that there are gradations on the product from the same tannery. Simon, I was wondering what are your thoughts on Sanders. But you might want to chat with Carmina first to double-check. 9.5D heel to toe. I have a review of a pair of them here on Shoegazing: https://shoegazing.com/2016/08/12/review-crownhill-shoes-the-stewart/. In contrast, Ive always found EGs service excellent but my interactions (outside of lockdown) are entirely based on the Jermyn Street store and I cant say Ive asked for anything unusual. * **Gaziano Girling DG70** 8.5FUK comfortable. They also have thin rubber soles throughout, which some people like more, but is cheaper as well.. very lucky to have bought 8 pairs of EG at a big discount so my shoe cupboard is overflowing and needs to be trimmed now Chunky, comfortable, and with nice make but the suede itself is nothing special, certainly worse than Crownhill in the same price range. My personal thoughts are as follows: Loake As the article suggests, the Loake 1880 is the bare minimum you should go for. Id highly recommend it for more detail all of these brands, particularly on the technical side. Hi Peter yes its something weve talked about regularly, and theres a dedicated page on it here. Benzein Parang 42: Its a bit short, but wearable. Im a scrooge but think this is crucial to include in your mental budget. 2. Little bit of heel wiggle room. This means that in our Goodyear welted shoes you are likely to go down 0,5 size compared to what you wear in Meermin Hiro. Decent fit all around and should break in nicely. TLB Mallorca: I own a wingtip on the Alan last. Well Id imagine the aim is to make more money, given that some will know the Cleverley name and want to buy into it. Thursday Captain 9D: Felt too tight on the instep brand new. A lot of influencers will also swear that it is box calf, which goes a long way to show either their incompetence or lack of integrity. A nice watch is also showing something. I guess I was wondering whether the differences in finer shoes were of this sort, especially because you have said before that you find your Aldens to be among your most comfortable shoes (but maybe that was more about lack of structure than anything else). Velasca uses a Blake/Rapid construction, so not Goodyear welted - but remember Blake/Rapid is more similar to Goodyear than it is to normal Blake. 8 last 9D: Bad fit. ), but perhaps that wouldnt be entirely appropriate. Loake1880 is good starting point and it used to be a very good value. The Hand-Welting construction of these shoes makes them be very good dress shoes that can fit into any wardrobe quite easily. Very useful for us who buy shoes in this price range. So far I remained unconvinced but then again I dont know any better. C&J have been my staple for more than 20 years, and I find that their 348 and 341 last feel like old friend straight our of the box. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Interesting times and personal style journey. Then last but not least, my longwing pair (not available anymore I'm afraid). 4. So all in all a shoes that looks good, but not a feel good shoe. And with the double-insoles system in place, comfort is guaranteed with Meermins. Having a shorter HTT than HTB allows me to wear it 1 down from by brannock. Theres a lot of marketing in this entry-level market: everyone says their shoes are handcrafted, using the best materials.. Sadly brands like Edward Green, Lobb and Cleverly are now so beyond my price point that I wonder if theyre now in the realm of diminishing returns? Fully bespoke shoes including trial pair start from about 550 depending on the exchange rate, and they offer ready to wear / MTO lines of various grades between 65 and 450. The big differentiating factor is not business model, but location of manufacture. Will they last much longer? Hello Simon, it would be interesting to have an additional piece about brands a tier above those, e.g. Id love to step up to Crocketts as Ive heard great things. I guess what I am saying is that depending on where youre, the good value for under certain dollar amount list will really change for you. The alternative was to shut out the market of men with wider feet. I think the short answer is that yes, it is expensive to add an extra width across all shoes. Ive mostly moved to bespoke now due to my weird feet, but I do own a pair of Morjas suede chukkas that I use in bad weather. Viberg 2030: 10 - Good fit. The Yanko felt very similar to the TLB if a bit softer overall (this makes sense as the founder of TLB used to be with Yanko). At C&Js benchgrade level, you can choose from black or chestnut calf (both with a leather sole), or brown suede with a rubber sole and youre limited to their 348 last. The only running shoes for me. Alden Barrie (lined shell): 10D, a little snug at the big toe but great in the ball and very supportive overall. I will look for a similar style shoe latest next year. But there is also some variation in what you get. American brands seem to be better at this (Alden, AE). Yes literally hard as rock but very nice looking in their box.. Agree Alan, buyer beware that they are extremely hard to break in. Hi Simon, do you know if JM Westons shoes are at a similar level to Crockett&Jones Handgrade? I wear the same size in rain shell as in xim unlined. Ive thoroughly enjoyed this article and PS in general. Carminas are more expensive than Meermins. "The quality control isnt quite as good as the English as well.. I did have a little heel slip in the beginning that went away. I still end up with shoes that are markedly higher quality than the vast majority of whats sold, and the more reasonable prices allow me to accumulate a broader range of options. These Meermin shoes are comfortable, fashionable, trendy, and highly durable. Wesco MP1339 9E: It's alright, toe box is really low and the gusset take up volume running the whole way up the boot as it is fully gusseted. To me, the leather feels similar to Carmina, though possibly even stiffer and more inflexible. But if the heel is good to start with, it doesnt matter so much if it can flex and adapt. Especially compared to other Spanish or Italian shoes, which are also a bit softer than the English., North America: Spier & MacKay, Allen Edmonds, Cobbler Union, John Doe. Because of the great leather material of the Carminas, youll get yourself a pair of shoes that are bound to stand you out in the positive way.CARMINA LEATHER, Meermins, on the other hand, are made with premium leather materials ranging from hybrid calfskin leather materials to even Shell Cordovan leather.MEERMIN LEATHER. Here you'll find an extensive sizing chart for Goodyear welted shoes from Skolyx, Yanko and TLB Mallorca. Last month, Swedish shoe brand Myrqvist (above) sent me a pair of their loafers to try. Ive a pair of Barker Grant that I must have worn 50/60/70 times and its only last week I had a topy (SVIG rubber) put on, the cobbler reckoned the rubber on the heel hadnt worn enough to warrant replacement. In terms of value I would say CJ handgrade. I wonder brands you may recommend for a person with a deeper broader foot like mine. HOK 9: Acceptable fit. The choice of quality leather materials makes Meermin shoes very versatile and fitting for many wardrobes. I suspect the 1035 in 9.5 would fit me perfectly. Will post more fit notes when they arrive. 3. Should fit most people TTS. And of course I could be wrong, but still believe theres something behind it. Carmina Simpson Oxford - 10 UK. One think really dont understand is why GC dilute their brand with the C&J RTW line instead of focusing on the Anthony Cleverley line which I hardly see being sold anywhere. Not sure the best place for this, and realise there is no correct answer but was wondering your view on the proportional cost of shoes to suits, shirts etc? Orbans (above) is a brand started by Marcos Fernandez, who also started Septieme Largeur and other brands in France. Velasca is an Italian brand that has become popular (they opened on Chiltern Street recently) as has German brand Shoepassion (which makes in Spain). I have to disagree. This is interesting my experience is the complete opposite. Stitchdown boots you will get more lateral give across the width of the boot, and with welted products you'll get more . Morjas is similar in having a cleaner make, and is a touch more expensive than the other two. For reference, previous sizing threads 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 for extra data points. I have room for my toes, but my foot isnt rattling around. At least in the States, TLB comes in less expensive than C&J even after the customization upcharge and even if you select the higher-quality Artista line. Were the shoes more structured I would go with 9.5D. The soles on the Trickers town shoes wear down quickly. Overall, would you have a favourite among these brands? 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